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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 25 05:53:26 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Thank you Yay of the Day, KAM, wolfguard, Maverick, Christopher Marlowe, and lostinamerica!

Happy Birthday AngelStarr and Chiwawan!

Beldin - It looks like a hot time in the old kitchen on Thursday give or take the air conditioning. And then directly back to chill. We are going with roast beast again. My SIL wants game hens. My brother and I like dark meat. Their son rebels against game hens and wants to come in the small kitchen in the middle of final cooking with two women who are doing their darndest to equitably split the resources, and make himself a steak. Suicide. There are sharp knives out. *g* No one wants a turkey, because no one wants to deal with the carcass, and we OD'd on leftovers some years ago. So we're going with leg of lamb, which we don't get much anyway.

Agent Cooper - The most horrific days are when the network is down and they won't release us. After some hours, we finally get over the jitters and take to going through old papers for tossing and shredding. I suppose it's a good thing, but I hate it.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 04:28:02 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Thank you. I
forgot about one thing. Most of
what I was mentioning was either
professional or educational
experience. I should have also
included personal qualities. I'm
trying to think of individuals I
work with or have worked with who
have qualities I think would be
necessary for being President. I
think an even temperment is a
quality Iwould value quite a lot.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 04:17:39 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 25 04:18:12 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Link failed. Will try later.


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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 03:42:55 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I can think of many successful people who do not hold a bachelor's
degree, much less a graduate degree. A year or so ago, Foreign
magazine conducted a survey both foreign policy professionals
and academics. Some of the findings ...

1. The most useful graduate area of study for foreign policy work was
'area studies', i.e. knowledge of the culture, society, politics,
history, economics and language(s) of a given country or region.

2. The only functional graduate training that ranked at or near the top
was economics.2

3. Professionals rarely ever used theories derived from any of the
social sciences (excepting perhaps economics).3 Only two
theories had wide use among professionals: (1) nuclear deterrence,
specifically that of mutually assured destruction (MAD)4 and
(2) ~~ Human Terrain Analysis5

4. When asked to list the most influential people in foreign policy, the
professionals and academics produce radically different list. I believe
the person at the top of the academics list has never been heard of by
most professionals. Academics rated Henry Kissinger relatively low,
professionals had him at or near the top of their lists.

Moving past the survey, I'll note one person who is very influential in
foreign policy - and to my knowledge he only holds a bachelor's in
English: Robert Kaplan. After getting his degree he moved overseas where
he wrote articles and a book or two on the politics and societies of the
countries or regions where he visited or lived. I believe his book,
Balkan Ghosts, was mentioned of by President Clinton (this while
the Yugoslava civil wars was ongoing). That got folks' attention. He's
gone to write numerous other works and has consulted, lectured, etc
across the academic and foreign policy sphere.

1 OTOH, twenty odd years ago, I recall business people saying
they didn't need people with graduate degrees in what's now called area
studies. ~We'll hire a translator.

2 Off that, around thirty years ago there was book, ~
International Jobs~, designed to help readers find a job or career
overseas. One or more of the chapters dealt with graduate study. The
author said, if you want a job overseas in accounting or finance or
marketing, etc. then get a degree in accounting, finance, marketing,

3 When I was in college, the traditional approach to studying
international relations was being challenged by the social science
approach. The social science approach developed hypotheses and models
which were then tested against evidence in attempts to discover
empirical laws of social behavior. The traditional approach believed
people and societies were too complicated to derive such laws; instead,
one had to spend years studying a country, region, or functional area
from which useful experience emerged.

4 I suspect most professionals carry these conceptual tools
in mind, because they were all exposed to it through school or foreign
policy work. I also suspect that academics who study and professionals
who work in the field of nuclear deterrence, war, disarmament, etc have
a more nuanced perception of the conceptual models.

5 This may not be the exact name of the theory and it maybe
less a theory that an approach to how one goes about understanding a
culture or society. This specific one either evolved or saw its first
large scale application in Iraq and Afghanistan.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 02:47:49 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Some actual
experience in an elected position
of government government at any

Masters or Phd in some aspect of
/economic policy. Some foreign
policy experience, be it in a
private/public sector.

I'm not sure business experience
should be a requirement, but some
direct understanding if it.

As so many resumes have it, a
combination of releveant
educational/work experience.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 02:21:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Setting aside congressional experience, what sort of things do you think
prepare a person for the presidency?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 01:48:10 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard "a poorly prepared
president with mediocre congressional

That could apply to a few folks as
well as JFK!

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Maverick says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:22:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Reminder: Okay, Friday, October 9th, 2015 A.D. (46 days ago) is when Obama said, "ISIS is not getting stronger. We have contained them." Does anyone remember when George Bush in an airplane landed on an Aircraft Carrier with the words "Mission Accomplished" on a giant sign on it? Bush has never heard the last of this, but Obama's boasting gaffe is already forgotten by the news media. Explain to me how that's fair.


Midnight Cowboy

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:16:17 2015 [Edit/Delete]

My impression is JFK would have been happy studying and writing on history.

The following excerpt is from Karl Helicher's review of Reeve's
President Kennedy in the Library Journal (c.1993).

"...He presents Kennedy as neither an amoral playboy nor the ruler of
Camelot but a poorly prepared president with mediocre congressional


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:07:30 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I am hereabouts!

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Maverick says:
(Tue Nov 24 22:58:29 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Roberta the Robot.

Today is Tuesday, November 24, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Esoteric. Ess-o-TARE-ic. Anyone remember when valMichael used to list a word of the day? The words he featured each day were usually highly specialized, often scientific, esoteric words that had to be looked up and often were of very limited use. I'm going to try to list words that we might see in a book or hear in a conversation, words that would simply make us more literate on a daily basis.

Esoteric: Understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge, or interest. Another definition is "recondite" (WRECK-in-DITE) which means dealing with very profound, difficult, or abstruse subject matter. I also often use the word Arcane (Ar-CANE) as a variation of esoteric if I think the subject matter veers toward the secretive or mystical or supernatural.

Yay, White Wings, Yay!

5 Devastating Obamacare Facts Every American Should Know.


Theme from "Taxi Driver"

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 24 21:36:39 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the robot girlfriend Warren created?
Answer: April

Trivia Bots: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 24 21:32:18 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 21:32:40 2015
wolfguard Heh-heh-heh.

I've at times wondered what things would be like if young Joe had lived. I can see Jack marrying his Swedish divorcee and going into academics.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 19:39:22 2015 [Edit/Delete]


I read passage, I believe in Richard Reeve's President Kennedy, where after the election and during the transition he was acting morose (it's been said he really wasn't interested in the job, but pursued it to please his father after the eldest son/brother died). Joseph P., his father, picked up on it and told JFK, ~~ Look, if you really don't want to do it, I can have have Daley recount the votes.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 24 19:04:27 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I'm here now.

Network at whup was down all morning. And plus, you know, doing actual WHUP.

What a drag!


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 18:57:37 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Heh...slow morning. I guess everyone is busy with Thanksgiving preparations and travel!

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OldManFan says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:46:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - April... and Buffy.


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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:41:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:39:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the robot girlfriend Warren created?

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:21:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
white wings wolfguard Agent Cooper I don't recall seeing this any one specific place but I've gotten the idea that it's settled historically that the only reason JFK carried Illinois was because of "Chicago style voting."

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:18:44 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay! white wings!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 14:43:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
yay white wings!

deadguy qod

I think they would still gather at either Thanksgiving or Christmas. I doubt they would run into a situation like Pangs ever again.

Beldin Do you mean the focus of the show?

I think might we understand the motive of a villain to commit the acts he/she does, but if he/she doesn't recognize that his actions are still wrong, then I don't think much has changed.

if the scoobies were to gather once a year, which occasion do you think they would choose?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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KAM says:
(Tue Nov 24 14:20:20 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,


Deadguy QOD
: Halloween, nothing happens on Halloween.

Ty King Fan

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 24 12:58:15 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday November 24th 2015 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
AngelStarr, Chiwawan!

If the apocalypse comes, beep me. Buffy, 'Never Kill A Boy On The First Date'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Nov 24 12:43:05 2015 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for white wings

yay white wings!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

black friday - it has a whole different meaning in sunnydale

if the scoobies were to gather once a year, which occasion do you think they would choose?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 06:23:49 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Eighth episode of Jessica Jones and the big bad has sympathetic history. Does the focus change?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 04:18:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Beldin I see a lot of bing-
watching of Netflix in my future!

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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 03:37:36 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 03:38:12 2015
If anyone likes period piece mystery stories I recommend "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries." I came across it among the recommendations on Netflix and have watch about 5 of them now. It's set in 1920s Australia and I'm enjoying it a lot.

wolfguard - I'll look for some of the others.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:55:50 2015 [Edit/Delete]

I believe it was his first Swagger novel. Many writers tell beginning
writers not to plot a novel with the the intent of making it a trilogy or
serial, but to tell a great story. I believe Stephen Hunter had published
other novels before Point of Impact, but he may still have been
following that professional wisdom.


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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:05:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Me, neither.

wolfguard - It read like a one-off.

white wings - We have a warming trend coming, too. Chances of rain start Wed. at 20% and goes up each day to 70% on Sat.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:03:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I've read at least one book, a number of articles, and even perhaps a
documentary or two on the Mafia theory. Could be true, but I don't know
that it's the most "likely explanation".

The problem for me was so many of these theories came out when I was
young and of a contrarian nature. I was open to anything beyond the
conventional or official position. There's just no wonder or fascination
with learning the ghostly noises are unoiled door hinges. *g*

Now I would want to gather all the evidence, vet its sources, and lay it
out - like in those Hollywood movies - on a whiteboard or bulletin board
with colored strings and the like. But no time yet. *g* I do hope to one
day read what some say are the two best books arguing for and against a
conspiracy (Case Closed and Not In Your Lifetime).

In the Swagger novel the author, Stephen Hunter (?), has written a
memoir witin the novel. It's penned by the lead assassin. This person's
description of Dealy Plaza before, during, and after the assassination
is very good. So to the description of the feelings of the assassin(s).
Not what one might expect.

What's especially interesting to me, is Hunter steers clear of a large,
complex conspiracy, rather ...

SPOILER on The Third Bullet (numbers given, no names of

((there are only four people involved in the assassination, one
of them Oswald.

Ending, I feel compelled to point out that Occam's Razor does not say
the simplest explanation is most likely the true one. What it says is
one should begin with the simplest explanation or hypothesis and then
modify it based on the results of testing it against reality.


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white wings says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:39:13 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay aussiebulldog!

Happy Birthday Mia, Selenay, and Will!

wolfguard - Thanks!

Christopher Marlowe - Congratulations on the shopping. And good luck with your mother.

Agent Cooper - It's nice to see a story of race "riots" going the way yours did. That's an interesting conspiracy theory. I haven't generally paid attention to the JFK theories, but the one you have recounted makes sense. Since the family fortune came from rum running, there were undoubtedly contacts.

Maverick - I was afraid there was a good reason for all that work. I hate lawns. I have a bit of one now, but it's over the septic tank so I don't conspire against it. I let a lawn service deal with it and blow the leaves off. Here the main problems happen in the spring when the live oaks drop their leaves almost all at once.

Beldin - The weather up here is moderating now, and the clouds are increasing.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:38:12 2015 [Edit/Delete]

There looks to be around ten Swagger novels with The Third Bullet
possibly being the latest. I've not read any of the others.


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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:10:38 2015 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO - Thanks for the url. Interesting to know it's not a new theory by any means.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:08:24 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 00:10:11 2015
Now here!


Beldin Laser hair growth? I've never heard of that before.

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Beldin says:
(Mon Nov 23 23:52:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - There's another Bob Lee Swagger book out there? I read "Point of Impact" and liked it very much.

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Beldin says:
(Mon Nov 23 23:45:58 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 23 23:46:18 2015
Here now.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 23 22:20:54 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What song talks about a "crabalocker fishwife" in it's lyrics?
Answer: I am The Walrus

Trivia Beatle: OldManFan, AGent Cooper
Trivia Groupie: Agent Cooper

Yay AussieBullDog!

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Maverick says:
(Mon Nov 23 22:05:23 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 23 22:35:14 2015
DaddyCatALSO: You must mean "Me and Mrs. Jones" and not "Don't Give Up On Us, Baby." Yes, I can understand why a cleric would take umbrage at such a brazen song about an Affair. I've always thought it was hilarious, especially with the lisp of the singer. Also, the song itself is a perfect example of too much time on your hands AND idle hands do the Devil's work. On a personal note watch your step this icy, cold year. Don't take chances.

Clock Boy's Family Sues for $15 Million. Anybody who couldn't see that coming?

Obama Ready to Dump 2,224 New Regulations for Thanksgiving. This is why the Economy is all screwed up and cannot produce jobs (except part-time jobs.)


Incense & Peppermint

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Nov 23 21:34:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Basically what my best friend in college senior year felt. Also had plans to go itnot eh Air Force, not sure he did.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 23 20:36:34 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I still believe Kennedy was killed for his brother going after the mob.

At the Kennedy's request, the mafia used their influence with the democratic political machine and unions to help JFK win the election, with the understanding that in return he would ease up federal law enforcement's pressure on the mob.

Instead, JFK double crossed them by appointing his brother AG, who continued to aggressively target the mafia.

So they had him killed, like they do with anybody else who double crosses them. Specifically by Oswald, their patsy. Organized crime does things this way routinely, and they're very good at it. Just never with so high profile a target before or since.

So as far as Oswald "acting alone", yeah I guess that's technically true. But the mob was pulling the strings for sure.

Yes, I know - that theory has never been proven definitively, but there's a lot of reasonable circumstantial evidence for this, and it's the most likely explanation.

Occam's razor and all that.

Interestingly enough, the conspiracy theory inside the conspiracy theory is that the Kennedy's never wanted that truth to come out, for obvious reasons. That being the case, I wouldn't doubt that the Kennedy family is behind at least half the crackpot conspiracy theories for the JFK assassination that are out there now. The more the better as far as they are concerned.


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