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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 2 06:46:20 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 2 06:48:14 2015
Yay Andeeh!



Christopher Marlowe,

It's in the conservative tradition to be wary of unintended consequences. We're careful about looking before leaping. First, do no harm. *g*



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

If one were to say "close your eyes and picture Buffy" (or Angel or Willow, etc.), what outfit are they wearing?

I've never paid much attention to Buffy's attire, other than she seemed to wear shorter skirts in first season ...

Sweaters - black, white, variations of brown. And of course, her black pullover wool cap. Oh, that horrid large blue overcoat (Becoming?). *g* And the Little Red Riding Hood costume in Fear, Itself.

Xander ~ What's in the basket?

Buffy ~ Weapons




Good Night to All

WG



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 2 06:17:30 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 2 06:48:01 2015
Christopher Marlowe: Someone evidently has PICTURES of Justice Roberts in bed with another man. That suspicion, plus he takes an anti-epilepsy medication that is known to promote cognitive problems. At best I will say he is inconsistent.


Needless to say, Professor Kingsfield (the John Houseman character in "The Paper Chase") would flunk the whole five giving the majority opinion.


Maverick


A Whiter Shade of Pale




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 2 05:01:24 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I have read comments
about that habit of Roberts' tendency
to rule narrowly. I don't
necessarily agree with that, because
then essentially the same issue will
repeatedly come before the court. So
a lot of cases ruled narrowly vs a
cases ruled broadly.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 2 02:08:53 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

That's also how I've seen them
grouped. In general, I associate
conservative judges favoring a
restricted approach to interpreting
the law and liberal judges a more
open approach.

I'm not certain if 'restricted' is
synonymous with 'original intent',
because determining the latter may
involve going beyond the ~plain
intent' of the written word. OTOH,
I do suspect an open approach is
associated with viewing the
Constitution as a 'living
document'.

I believe the Chief Justice prefers
narrow rulings to broader ones. As
I understand those phrases, a
narrow ruling attempts to limit the
justices findings to the specific
case before them. A broader ruling
may create a principle that could
be applied to other cases.

I believe most conservatives, at
least with respect to policy, tend
to be incrementalist. Be careful
when rocking the boat. That said,
there are certainly conservatives
whose proclaimed policy choices are
akin to burning the rotten house
down.


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 2 01:52:53 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I know for general
purposes they have Roberts, Alito,
Scalia and Thomas on one side, and
Sotomayer, Ginsberg, Breyer and Kagan
on the other side with Kennedy being
the 'swing' vote, although I believe
they put him on the conservative
side.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 2 01:29:10 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not know enough about the various judges' judicial philosophies to speculate.
I've heard several them in informal interviews. Their thinking is more layered than
pundits portray.

WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 2 00:55:24 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Got plans for
this weekend?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 2 00:19:32 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I wonder how the
justices would align in our pickled
pepper case? *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 22:52:11 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 1 20:48:38 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the little girl who was the Conduit to the Senior Partners?
Answer: Mesketet

Trivia Senior Parnters: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl
Trivia Junior Partners: Maverick
Trivi



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 1 19:34:01 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard lostinamerica If buffy isn't unusually old for a Slayer when first called, and if most cultures aren't like Kendra's, turning Potentials over tot he Watcher as babies, when first identified, then in many, many times and places, Slayers were called in prime marrying age. Too ahrd to wank properly.

wolfguard The columnist (again not sure which one) said in that column the privacy ide a behind Roe v Wade was derived form an amendment regarding quartering of troops, which *is* the 3rd. So, base d on both my check this morning, and then yours, the columnist made a boo-boo.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 1 19:17:43 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Little Annie Fanny


lostinamerica: I'm sorry I questioned your reference and impugned your ability to engage in civil discourse. As you can see, though, from my listing of the ACTUAL Amendment, one would have to TORTURE the language of the Amendment to get some kind of statement regarding marriage out of it (it doesn't even mention, for instance, a spouse not being able to be complelled to testify against his/her spouse.) If you think of waterboarding as torture (I don't necessarily) whichever Judge used the 5th Amendment as some kind of justification to reject DOMA, first he/she had to waterboard the 5th Amendment. Read it again; it's ALL about what may and may not happen to someone facing a criminal trial. ALL people desiring some kind of same-sex relationship were not deprived of anything versus straight people; they STILL have the ability to Marry (defined as one man and one woman.) But, in the decision on DOMA, the court held that DOMA "because of its reach and extent, departs from this history and tradition of reliance on state law to define marriage." So, in the recent "decision" the court contradicted itself on its previous "decision" the State's preeminence on Marriage.


DaddyCatALSO: I think the Progressive Judges throw a dart to determine what Amendment to cite.


Watching "The Sweeney" last night and heard a good line. The one guy said "[so and so] is his own worst enemy" and the response was "Not while I'm still around."


Christopher Marlowe: The analogy is that the Supreme Court is just supposed to call Balls and Strikes. It's not supposed to say, for instance, well, since Team B is the home team, it would be really nice, and everyone would feel good about themselves, if we were a bit harder on Team A (who is leading the league) than on Team B (who's having a losing season.) We could, for instance, shrink the strike zone for team A. And maybe we ought to GIVE Team B the benefit of every doubt to shine before their home fans.


Maverick


Crazy For You




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 18:35:06 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

According to this site, the 3rd Amendment is not controversial and has never been litigated before the Supreme Court. Perhaps Buckley was referencing another amendment, perhaps the 5th? (Cornell Law School)


Lostinamerica,

Yes, but was Nikki married?

We do not know what factors caused the slayer powers to flow to one potential rather than another.1 However, if the spell had not distinguished between married and unmarried women, then the potential chosen could have been married. Marriage is (was?) an institution that would likely have caused Watchers all sorts of grief.2 So the speculation - the spell selected unmarried women and unmarried women, throughout most of history and cultures, are young. If true, slayers are not selected because they are young, but because they are unmarried.3


1 My theory is the power flowed to the potential who was close to the most evil. The rationale: (1) that's where a slayer is most needed (2) old magick - "like attracts like"


2 And for those who care, the added grief being a slayer would cause a woman with husband, in-laws, kids.

3 In truth, slayers are young because Joss and the WB saw their audience as being young folks: secondary school and college.


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jul 1 15:04:01 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Mesektet, one of the Ra-tet... it's a whole 'Tet' thing.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jul 1 14:37:05 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Mesektet



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Trivia girl says:
(Wed Jul 1 14:35:22 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the little girl who was the Conduit to the Senior Partners?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 1 14:33:53 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Memorial Quod I'll just go for the joke and say Faith and Harmony wearing nothing.

wolfguard lostinamerica Christopher Marlowe, Maverick I recall a columnist (probably William F. Buckley) claiming the privacy rights cited in Roe v Wade came from the Third Amendment but I did a quick check and nothing supports that.



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KAM says:
(Wed Jul 1 12:36:13 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 1 12:37:27 2015
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY ANDEEH

Deadguy QOD
Angel wearing Black--probably the jacket he wore when he first started stalking, erm, I mean helping Buffy.
Buffy wearing her patrol gear.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 12:16:34 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, July 1st 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Absinthe
Cowdoc
houses
Melody

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Absinthe, Cowdoc, houses, Melody!



Who died and made you Elvis? Cordelia, 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 12:10:00 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
yay andeeh!


deadguy qod

I imagine Buffy wearing leather pants and a turtleneck, her hair tied up in a ponytail.

Angel is his typical outfit of long sleeved dark shirt and slacks.


Happy non-Angel Wednesday



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jul 1 11:56:02 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for andeeh!

yay andeeh!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

ethan's costume shoppe - killer outfits

if one were to say "close your eyes and picture buffy" (or angel or willow, etc.), what outfit are they wearing?


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jul 1 11:33:42 2015 70.209.24.140) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick---Uh, I did look it
up. At least one of the Supreme
justices used the liberty protection
in the Fifth Amendment to rule DOMA
unconstitutional. "Free to be you
and me" I guess.


wolfguard--Nikki Wood had a
child, so if a Slayer could have a
child a potential could--that's why
I said great grandma Slayers were
activated ;)

Did they ever say whether Nikki had
the child before or after being
activated?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 06:04:59 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Del!


Happy Birthday Lil'Tree!




Welcome Out_For_A_Walk_B**CH



Foot Tapper,

I watch Agents of Shield. :)



Christopher Marlowe,

Polities need the stability often provided by some set of traditional principles, laws, rules of the game. However, societies also need ways for adapting to change. The US Constitution through the amendment process and the potential for useful interpretation of the generalities and ambiguities of laws. *g*



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Is Buffy the oldest slayer or did older potentials become slayers when willow did her spell? if so, how old is the eldest (12 years later).

It's very likely that Buffy or Faith hold the honor of being the oldest slayer. Chloe, a Sunnydale potential, said she was unlikely to be chosen, because she was only ~15. Kennedy replied she, herself, was probably too old, implying being young made a potential more likely to be chosen.

I believe the Shadow Men designed their spell to choose from unmarried women, because it simplified matters - no husband or family to protest. Since most women in horticultural and agrarian societies marry young, slayers would be even younger.1

Since it's also been implied that Buffy's tour of duty has been longer than most slayers, then it's likely she was several years older than any of the existing potentials in 2003.

Second Question: Who was the oldest potential ~twelve years later? Still, Buffy.


1 As potentials approach the age when they would be expected to marry, they pass out of the pool of potentials. Off this, those rare potentials whose place in their society prevented marriage, such as nuns, might remain in the pool of potentials. And off that, perhaps there's been a spinster slayer?! *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 03:59:38 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Despite all the
foofaraw about the Constitution and
the Supreme Court decisions, it is
remarkable that it has functioned as
well as it had.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 03:44:00 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

There's a book by Professor Jack Rakove titled, Original Meanings. It's
sub title is more descriptive: "The Politics and Ideas in the Making of the
Constitution". Follows a long excerpt from a reader's review of the book ...

".... A number of themes emerge though a basic one can be said to be that of
ambiguity. A product of differing motivations, political and ideological
compromise, and a highly politically charged process of ratification, it is
hardly surprising that it is hard to assign unambiguous 'intentions' to many
aspects of the constitution. Even when contemporary supporting literature is
consulted, like The Federalist Papers, it is not an infallible guide because it
contains similar ambiguities. Indeed, without some ambiguity and liberty of
interpretation, it is hard to see how the constitution would have succeeded in
remaining a guiding document throughout all the changes of hte last 2
centuries..."

- R. Albin (a top reviewer)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 03:04:47 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I would start off
like you did, with the plain
meaning of the text. I might also
want to know what that would have
meant in the time that it was
written. Pick might have had a
different meaning in 1880 than it
would have in 1950.

I believe that was is meant by
'originalist'? Interpreting text
in the context if when it was
written.

So we say in that context, 'pick'
means to physcially pick the pepper
by hand, not by any mechanical
means.

So Sally might be out of luck if
the text is interpreted that way.

Another way is that 'pick' is to
select, and the means of such
picking can change with time, so
Sally wins in that respect.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 02:23:41 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Beginning with your suggestion of looking at the ~ plain meaning of the text ~.
The issue appears to revolve around "pick". Some would say it's obvious what
"pick" means. Others would say we would have to look at the meaning of "pick" as
it was used by those who wrote the Constitution.

Off that, what if "pick" meant "to harvest". Harvest implies more than picking an
item. It suggest picking a lot of items, often during a certain time of the year.
Do we really want to into this territory? If this so, then it implies the right
to pick exist only during harvest time. Does that make sense? Do I only have the
right of free speech during election time or dinner roast?

From another angle, what if the person was disabled in some fashion and was
unable to pick her peppers without the assistance of a machine? Shouldn't she be
allowed to use a machine to exercise her right? OTOH, what if the state of
picking machine technology wasn't able to pick just a peck, but picked a lot of
pecks at a pick? Would this be reason to limit pepper picking? OTOH, what about
the pepper owner? Should she put at disadvantage of losing some of her peppers,
because picking technology wasn't up to snuff?


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 01:56:19 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard

Maybe we can do it like this.

There is a hidden amendment in the
constitution, giving folks the
right to Pick a peck of pickled
pepper.

It reads thusly.

"The right of citizens of the
United States, pick a peck of
pickled peppers shall not be denied
or abridged by the United States or
by any State on account of age."

A lawsuit arises challenging this
amendment, Sally, who believes she
was denied the right to pick a peck
of pickled peppers by her local
greenhouse, who objected to her
using machinery to obtain her
peppers.

the arguement is over the phrase
'pick', whether that be by hand or
other means.

How would the Court interpret this?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 01:16:18 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 1 01:41:21 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Concise and to the point.

Google, any ambiguity in bill of rights, then take a look at the second
result. ~ How the language of the Constitution allows ... ~


ETA A particularly relevant section begins on page 9. It is titled, ~Judicial
Interpretation of Constitutional Ambiguity~


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 1 00:31:34 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I haven't been
part of the discussion, but I would
like to try to answer the
questions.

1. How does one go about being
'objective' with respect to a text?

I have often heard that justices
try to first read the 'plain
meaning' of a text. I think that
is inherently objective.

2. What authority demands Supreme
Court justices be objective?

The demands of the law itself. I'm
not sure there is such a thing as
subjective law.

3. What authority demands Supreme
Court justices 'interpret' as
"written"

If the plain meaning of the text is
insufficient to make a decision,
then I understand that justices
look to other records to determine
intent of the text.

4. What does it mean "to
interpret"?

To interpret is to form an opinion
on something, based on plain
meaning, other records and perhaps
prior interpretations.

5. Why do we have to interpret
legal issues?

Because often, text can be
ambiguous as to meaning, not
something terribly unusual with the
English Language in general.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 1 00:16:42 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Since you may only visit the Bronze a time or two a day, a few more questions...

1. How does one go about being 'objective' with respect to a text?

2. What authority demands Supreme Court justices be objective?

3. What authority demands Supreme Court justices 'interpret' as "written"?

4. What does it mean "to interpret"?

5. Why do we have to interpret legal issues?


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 30 23:48:21 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I described the way the Supreme Court has worked since at least 1803, based on what
the US Constitution states (Article III, Sections 1 and 2).

You wrote, "...They're there to interpret the constitution as written..."

Interpret for me, the Sixth Commandment of the Old Testament.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 23:15:56 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 30 23:15:36 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica: Here you go:


5th Amendment: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness, against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."


lostinamerica: Here's how you do this. If someone questions one of your assertions, you SHOULD ASSUME the questioning person has looked it up and that's what prompted the questioning. Therefore, you REALLY SHOULD look it up, yourself, and verify you are on solid ground. If all this takes place in a face-to-face conversation, however, you CAN assume the other person doesn't know what they're talking about, but not in a written exchange if time has passed.


Maverick


Walking On Broken Glass




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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 30 22:24:26 2015 70.209.24.140) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--No, it was the
Fifth Amendment, it provides more
protections than just the one you
listed.


DaddyCatALSO--I don't know,
that was never addressed--once a
potential, always a potential?


Foot Tapper--*waves*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 30 21:23:55 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What weapon did Olaf the troll possess?
Answer: hammer

Trivia Hammers of the Gods: notsoShyGirl, OldMan
Trivia Hammered: Maverick



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 30 20:55:32 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 30 20:58:13 2015
Trivia Girl: A Bridge Dismantler. It can be used against enemy trolls who live under bridges.


I just watched the DVD's of Season One of "Mr. Selfridge" and loved it. Jeremy Piven always has so much energy that he's perfect for the role. It's about the true historical American character who went to London and opened up the first major Department Store (like Macy's.) Anyone else remember when, way back when the original Bronze was still around, Joss came on the board one night and praised Piven's work when Piven was in the sadly-short-lived series called "Cupid." In that episode of "Cupid" that Joss had watched, an aspiring song-and-dance man was trying to romance his true love. The "Cupid" episode, it turns out, starred Harry Groener, and Joss was working with him at the time as he had cast him as Mayor Richard Wilkins. This was shortly before WE had seen those Season Three episodes. cc: Christopher Marlowe - maybe your mom would like this, reminds me of "Downton Abbey."


Detroit has had a lot of rain and storms lately and they have electrical work crews out fixing the power line and transformers, etc., to restore power. A lot of the workers come in from neighboring states and work ridiculous hours and hard conditions. But to thank them the residents of Detroit have begun to rob them at gunpoint while they're working.


abt: Avril Lavigne has recently been diagnosed with Lyme Disease but they had been telling her she had CFS/ME. In the meantime, Here's another article on the far-ranging effect Gut Bacteria can have on health, specifically neural (brain cells) abilities.


lostinamerica: The Fifth Amendment? No, people take "The Fifth" to avoid self-incrimination. The same gowned clowns who declared DOMA unconstitutional used, as one reason for doing so (pointed out by Scalia in his dissent--read the dissents,) that the Federal Government (through Congress and the President) had no business defining Marriage, as Marriage was regulated by the states. And then just 2 years later the same group, THEMSELVES, re-defined Marriage. And without any legal framework to base it on.


Out_For_A_Walk_BUTCH: This Board is a later incarnation of the original WB Bronze. To see prior versions of the Bronze and weeks's worth of Postings from back in the time when Buffy was in its original WB Network showing go to Maverick's Home Page and go down the page to the Nostalgia Link.


Maverick


Human Nature




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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 30 20:54:49 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Shadowquest: I'd say Faith was emotionally older then Buffy, if not in actual years.

She'd already been through alot, even compared with Buffy.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 18:12:57 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Out for a Walk Glad you were able to meet them, they are awesome folks!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 30 16:50:37 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest[/b. From what I can tell, youa nd I and author Nikki Stafford are the only ones who see Faith as older than Buffy . . . .



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 30 16:36:20 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: You didn't really address the problem, though. The Supreme Court has morphed into the 3rd house of congress that trumps the other two.

And justices aren't supposed to have a different philosophy. They're supposed to be objective. They're there to interpret the constitution as written, not make it up as they go. See the recent obamacare ruling, it's really illustrative of this.



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Out_For_A_Walk_B**CH says:
(Tue Jun 30 16:36:10 2015 115.64.153.153) [Edit/Delete]
Hey guys, first time poster here.
Huge Buffy fan obviously. Im from
Australia. I got to meet Amber
Benson and Emma Caulfield at Oz
Comic Con last weekend, they were
both awesome, Amber in particular
was a really awesome person and
fun to chat to. Ive met James
Marsters and Charisma Carpenter
at another convention a few
months back, they were awesome
too. Meeting James was a big deal
seeing as Spike is my favourite
character. its great to see that
there are so many people that
still care about this show.
Personally, its one of my
favourites and I watch the series
through at least once a year.
Anyways, just wanted to pop in
and say hi, peace out folks.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Jun 30 16:29:54 2015 65.73.74.172) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Wasn't Faith older than Buffy?

Zoom, zoom



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jun 30 15:06:22 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - a Troll god's hammer.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 30 14:43:03 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
A hammer enchanted with godly power



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 30 14:36:48 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What weapon did Olaf the troll possess?



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Foot Tapper says:
(Tue Jun 30 13:23:38 2015 212.250.221.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hi everyone :-)

Just wanted to say thanks for my Yay back on the 16th have been meaning to post before now!

In particular, thanks to wolfguard, KAM, lostinamerica, ChristopherMarlowe and YayOfTheDay !

I haven't been here regularly for years but I just wondered if anyone has been watching 'Marvel - Agents of Shield'? My partner and I love it and you can just feel the Whedon-ness about it :-)

FT x

SOs to: abt, Algerina (RIP), amystar, angela, Aramina, Austin154, Beldin, Bossy the Cow, buffyrat, cabin7dad, CaughtNTheQuiet, Christopher Marlowe, DaddyCatALSO, Django, Dru in LA, GothicAvenger, Gray (RIP), helygen, Holy Water, Irishrose, Jaan Quidam, jitsudude (RIP), KAM, k8cre8, kessie, Leather Jacket, Leira, loop, lostinamerica, lucille, Maverick, Menomegirl, Morella, neonate, newt, Niblet, Octoquad, Ojagwers, Old One, redwitch, Scourge, ShadowQuest, Shan, slayerdaddy, Thoin, Trinity, VampSlayer, VanHelsing, Watchers Pet, wolfguard, Zeus, white wings, wiccachick, The Birthday Gnome (you bring birthday fun every day!) The wise people = Old Man Fan, Mrs Beasley, valMichael (you guys know everything!), and anyone else Ive missed!


Welcome to the Hellmouth: Because you are the Slayer. Into each generation a Slayer is born, one girl in all the world, a Chosen One, one born with the strength and skill to hunt the vampires...

Buffy: (smiling at Spike) Hi, honey. I'm home. (attacks him) You know what? It's good to be me. (Halloween)
Xander: Clearly the hellmouths answer to what do you get a slayer who has everything (Surprise)
Willow: (to Oz) I was waiting. I feel like some part of me will always be waiting for you. Like if I'm old and blue-haired, and I turn the corner in Istanbul and there you are, I won't be surprised. Because... you're with me, you know? (New Moon Rising)
Angel: It's a claddagh ring. The hands represent friendship, the crown represents loyalty... and the heart... Well, you know... Wear it with the heart pointing towards you. It means you belong to somebody. (Surprise)
Giles: And I myself will be wearing pink taffeta as chenille would not go with my complexion. Can we *please* talk about the Ascension? (The Prom)
Faith: (to Buffy) Are you protecting vampires? Are you the bad slayer now? Am I the good slayer now? (Dirty Girls)
Spike: Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will. *I* may be love's *****, but at least *I'm* man enough to admit it. (Lovers Walk)

City of : Los Angeles. You see it at night and it shines. A beacon. People are drawn to it. People and other things. They come for all sorts of reasons. My reason? No surprise there. It started with a girl.

Angel: (to Lindsey) I'm just here to say 'bon voyage'. Don't come back. (Dead End)
Cordelia: (to Wesley) What? That she'd try to manoeuvre Angel into an exchange of bodily fluids in order to make herself eternally young and beautiful, thus saving her failing career? Gee, now that you mention it. (Eternity)
Wesley: I had my throat cut and all my friends abandoned me. (Spin the Bottle)
Gunn: (to Angel) You enjoying your visit to nineteen seventy three? (Picks up a memo pad) I meant her message pad. (Epiphany)
Fred: (to her parents) Angel's the champion, and Wesley's the brains of the operation, Gunn's the muscle and Cordy's the heart, and I'm... (Fredless)
Lorne: (to Angel) What's to understand? You think you're the first guy who ever rolled over, saw what was lying next to him and went 'Guyeah!' And you're not. Believe me. - It's called a moment of clarity, my lamb. And you've just had one. (Epiphany) RIP Andy Hallett
Lindsey: The key to Wolfram and Hart: don't let them make you play their game. You gotta make them play yours. (Dead End)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 13:14:04 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, June 30th 2015 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!



Claudine
gaelyn
Li'lTree

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Claudine, gaelyn, Li'lTree!



Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid. Mal, 'Serenity'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 13:03:58 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
yay del!

deadguy quod

I think Buffy is the oldest slayer. As I remember, they other potentials were all younger. I'm sure there were slayers past that were older than Buffy though.

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 30 12:43:07 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 30 12:59:38 2015
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY DEL

Deadguy QOD
: Well, I'm sure Joss wouldn't want to be known for discriminating against older women. He wouldn't be much of a feminist if this excluded any older females, so I'm sure there must be slayers of all ages.

lostinamerica: There was in fact a period where the Democrats had control of Congress and the Presidency and a narrower window where that included a super majority in the Senate. They could have chosen to repeal DOMA at that point had they been unified on the issue. But of course, that was before President Obama decided that the political wind had sufficiently shifted, and he reversed his position on same-sex marriage.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 30 12:21:29 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica More than likely, there's a point where a Potential ages out and loses the chance.



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 30 12:04:06 2015 70.209.24.140) [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday
Question
--Well, you've got the
potentials from when Buffy was
chosen, and the Slayer before that,
and the Slayer before that. . .there
must be some Slayers who are great
grandmas now ;)


YAY! Del!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 30 11:55:35 2015 70.209.24.140) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--Ah, the old Defense
of Marriage Act, forgot about that.
Apparently that was declared
unconstitutional because of the
protections of the Fifth Amendment,
but I don't see those protections
extending to same-sex marriage.
They started out the right way,
Congress passing DOMA, but then
ended up wrong by not repealing the
law, which they should have done if
they felt it was discriminatory.

This is what I've always found
interesting--I'm pretty sure the
Democrats have had enough votes to repeal
DOMA at some point in the last 19 years,
why didn't they? I'll have to check
that.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 30 11:46:17 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for del

yay del!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale birthday club - celebrate life

is buffy the oldest slayer or did older potentials become slayers when willow did her spell? if so, how old is the eldest (12 years later).


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 05:01:08 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I don't recall any other tv show or movie that required the actress playing that many roles, all clones.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 30 03:16:32 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

She is charmed. *g* For instance, her playing Alyson pretending to play Sarah. I
just realized the coincidental significance of those two characters' names on this
board. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 02:56:40 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard The actress is
amazing, no? *g* I just finished
the third season of Orphan Black.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 30 02:53:32 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Yes. I watched the first six episodes of season 1 of Orphan Black. *g*

How was Chicago?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 30 01:24:16 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd did you have a good
weekend?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 29 23:12:00 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 29 23:09:39 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Yours, "...As far as the SC decision, the system is broken...". If true,
then it has been 'broken' since at least 1803. This was the year of Marbury
vs. Madison
made explicit the Supreme Court's power to interpret the laws
Congress and the states legislated so to judge whether or not said laws were
Constitutional.

The power to interpret law is derived from Article III of the US Constitution.
Section 1 says 'judicial powers' will be 'vested' in a (supreme)1
court. Section 2 says 'judicial powers' will 'extend' over ~~ laws, equities,
treaties, and the like.

The other day the Supreme Court Justices' decision was based on nine judges'
comparing the specifics of the case and law before them to each of their's
worldview of Constitutional law.2 That the vote was close, 5-4, says a
significant schism of judicial and constitutional worldviews exist. What's new?
It's why the Supreme Court is not chaired by a single person. We expect
differences and we rely on voting to decide between those differences.

The Supreme Court worked exactly as it was suppose to work. It you deny this,
then you have no reason to be concerned over who a president nominates as a
Supreme Court Justice. If the 'system is broke', then it doesn't matter. But it
does matter, because different candidates may practice different philosophies of
judicial interpretation.

But very few citizens hold any serious view on judicial reasoning or
interpretation. Instead, they hold values and beliefs that they want to see
enacted and enforced through law. If any such law comes before the Supreme Court,
these folks declare the system is working or broken contingent on getting the
decision they want. Hypocritical whingers.


1 I don't remember if 'supreme' is used or not in the text.

2 I cannot remember what I was going to write here. *g*



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 29 21:20:34 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Mine wasn't a "counter", but asking you to put forth a description of Iran that would
satisfy what you believe would be good for US interests. Starting to build a house by
assessing contractors and subcontractors is poor project management. Same for foreign
policy.

WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jun 29 21:07:10 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jun 29 21:10:21 2015
Trivia Girl: Curtis Mayfield.


lostinamerica: Funny you should ask about the federal definition of marriage. That was the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which Obama and Holder, shortly after they took office, refused to enforce (for which they promptly should have been impeached, as they swore, as part of their swearing-in ceremonies to defend and enforce the laws and constitution.) DOMA, which defined Marriage as the Union of One Man and One Woman, was passed by a veto-proof Congress in 1996 and signed by Bill Clinton. But the left did not like it because it smacked of being religious-based. After Obama and Holder signaled they would not enforce it, the law was attacked in the courts and chipped away at, and then finally in 2013, the same sad group of illogical political hacks (Kennedy, Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburgh, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan) killed it and based this on the idea that the Federal Government had no business defining marriage, as marriage has always been the purview of the states. So just two years later the same Progressive Bloc has forgotten "leaving it to the States" and decided to redefined marriage in a grandiose Federal decision imposed ON the States answering (at least) two State cases. In the Michigan State case, of which I am aware, the people of the state in a ballot referendum rejected same-sex marriage. So this lesbian couple with an extended family filed suit against the Michigan adoption law and an Activist Federal Judge (Friedman) suggested they amend their complaint to include same-sex marriage and then he ruled in their favor. The Appeals Court, of course, ruled correctly against and they ended up in the Supreme Court. The item to be ruled on was whether the State could determine whether same-sex marriage would be legal in the state. The correct ruling would have been that the Federal Government does not have the right to overrule the State on such a matter. Claiming the 14th Amendment has something to say about this is just Un-thinking. Within the last day or so, I listed the 14th Amendment on the Bronzebeta. See if YOU can find what they think they found. In case you somehow feel stupid because you can't find it, do not let your heart be troubled--it's not there. The 14th Amendment was passed as one of the Reconstruction Amendments, after the Civil War, to give blacks citizenship, etc. cc: Agent Cooper


Maverick


Where Do You Go?




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 29 21:06:14 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What Motown legend sang 'Keep on Truckin' in 1973?
Answer: Eddie Kendricks

Trivia Wailers: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 29 18:47:33 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I counter your counter sir! :-P

Describe what you think the mullahs in Iran would once they possessed a nuclear weapon? Who would they share this technology with?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 29 18:41:13 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Excerpt from BBC online article on Greece ...

"...Here is the big point: there is zero chance of the European Central Bank turning Emergency Liquidity Assistance back on - life-saving lending to banks - unless Greeks give an affirmative vote to a bailout proposal from the rest of the eurozone and the IMF, which Juncker sees as a proxy for Greece's monetary future.

As for Athens, most of the Syriza government detests the bailout offer - for the way it pushes up VAT and cuts pensions.

So we will have the bizarre spectacle of a Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, arguing both against the bailout and for remaining inside the eurozone - so goodness only knows how he will vote...
" (emphasis added)


Article (BBC)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 29 18:29:22 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

Describe an Iran that you believe would best serve US policy interest. :-)

I'll read, ponder, and reply to rest of your post last tonight.


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Jun 29 17:57:37 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Eddie Kendricks.

OMF



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jun 29 17:28:00 2015 70.209.22.184) [Edit/Delete]
Dogmeat--I don't know for
sure where macaroons come from but I
recently tried a macaRON--it was
good, but I don't know what the fuss
is all about--at least I only paid
$2.50 for two, I hear they can be
quite pricey ;)


KAM--Sorry, just following
the birthday list :(


YAY! Mrs.Beasley!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 29 17:20:33 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: As far as Foreign Policy, I can give you many examples but let's start with the nuclear deal with Iran. Get the details of that and then get back to me about how naive Obama's foreign policy is. :-)

As far as the SC decision, the system is broken. You used to have to have laws passed by the states or by congress. Now if you don't get the result you want from those two bodies, you just make an end-run to the SC and THEY pass it for you. The voting public be damned. They are the actual governing body of the US now. Not congress, not the president.

We are now governed by 9 unelected representatives. You must see how dangerous this is?

The right outcome would have been for the SC to clearly re-state that it isn't their job to pass laws, kick the issue back to congress, and tell them "If you want this to be law then write it so that it will pass."

See also my response to Chris Marlowe below.


Chris Marlowe: I understand that people are impatient. But the system is there for a reason. If somebody can break the system to do good, somebody else can break it to do evil. Once that door is open, it can't be shut again.

It's a short step from that impatient notion to questioning why we should have a SC at all? Why have a congress? They just get in the way of doing what's "right."

Problem is, we should all be positively frightened of what "right" is to some folks. And those very folks will almost certainly hold the reins someday. Only the institutions that hold them in check won't be there anymore.

Anyway, how was Chicago? Did you get to see a ballgame? I always wanted to see Comiskey park, I hear it's nice.



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ChistopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 29 16:40:51 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
KAM I'd better make that correction then!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jun 29 14:44:06 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Eddie Kendricks



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 29 14:27:27 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What Motown legend sang 'Keep on Truckin' in 1973?



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KAM says:
(Mon Jun 29 13:26:02 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY MRS.BEASLEY

lostinamerica
: greengirl's birthday is the end of next month. If I get that wrong, I think I'm in trouble. :)

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 29 13:11:41 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, June 29th,
2015 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!



ANNE
Childlike Vampire
DELiver
Irishgal
Joey
Mr. Narnian
Strictly Taboo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
ANNE, Childlike Vampire,
DELiver, Irishgal, Joey, Mr.
Narnian, Strictly Taboo
!



Right, there comes a point where
you have to either move on, or just
buy yourself a Klingon costume and
go with it.
Xander, 'The Replacement'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 29 13:00:43 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
yay mrs.beasley!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



Nice to be back to normal! Thanks to OldManFan and notsoShygirl for being able to cover for me while I was gone!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jun 29 11:42:57 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mrs.beasley!

yay mrs.beasley!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 29 03:11:58 2015 209.159.254.219) [Edit/Delete]
Finally home. Blisters on my feet, but I'm home!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jun 29 02:34:27 2015 70.193.245.211) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday greengirl!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 28 20:04:25 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


"How to make a perfect cuppa"

From the BBC. Also consider looking at ~How to swear like a Brit~ *g*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 28 13:37:33 2015 70.194.74.89) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday June 28th,
2015

We have Ten (10) birthdays!

Happy Birthday to Acolyte.
Amaltheia, atalantis, baby2,
cthulhu, fate blaze, green
girl,heather, jubilee, kaseyk,
serendipity!



"I don't like vampires, I'm gonna
take a stand and say they're not
good". Xander ' The Harvest'



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Dogmeat says:
(Sun Jun 28 12:34:59 2015 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe Where were
macaroons created?


Happy Birthday Felicia Day and Alice
Krige



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jun 28 12:15:56 2015 70.193.245.211) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--The right
for women to vote and the civil
rights act were both voted in by
Congress. The right to abortion,
however, came from a Supreme Court
decision which found a right to
privacy existed, and the right to
same sex marriage was another court
decision. I and others have
problems with the Court legislating-
-if you want abortion to be legal,
then get Congress to make a law.
The same with same sex marriage,
though on the surface I think the
judicial reasoning on same sex
marriage seems to be sounder
than said reasoning on abortion
because the former is discriminatory.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 28 05:49:57 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Each of these will initially show several flags, but in second or two will focus on the flag named in the link...

Confederate State Flag


Georgia State Flag


South Carolina State Flag



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 28 05:38:53 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Yours, "...But that's been broken...". You'll have to be more explicit and specific. Once before you posted Obama's foreign policy is naive, etc. I asked you give a specific example of a functional and/or regional foreign policy issue/goal/program of the Obama administration that we could examine - and got nothing from you.

Today, C-SPAN broadcast the arguments before the court. I only listened to an hour, heard some from lawyers from both sides and several of the judges' questions and comments. I still do not have enough information to have formed an opinon, other than the fall-back that comes from any 5-4 vote.

In general, I find both liberals and conservatives behave like cry babies when they lose an argument before the Supreme Court. They wail the Republic is ending because the decision did not go their way and that it did not go their way because some or all of the justices were bad people.

Such talk doesn't past muster with me.



Christopher Marlowe,

Just learned more today about Georgia's state flag. The Atlanta-Journal Constitution did a story on how various southern states worked Confederate imagery and symbols into their state flags. To begin, the flag known to most people as the Confederate flag was the 'Battle Flag', it did not represent a state, but the Confederacy and was designed to be easily distinguished from the Union flag in battle.

The official flag of the Confederate States of America? Well, it looks almost identical to Georgia's current flag. Here's its description...

1. Blue field in left upper quadrant. On the blue field is a circle of stars, one for each state of the Confederacy.

2. Three horizontal stripes of equal width cover the rest of the flag: Red-White-Red


Georgia's current state flag looks exactly like the above flag, but with the addition of the state seal. The seal is surrounded by the stars.

The article had graphics of current southern state flags. Oddly, the only state flag that did not have elements of the Confederacy was South Carolina's ~ a white palmetto and white crescent moon on a blue field.





WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 28 04:26:25 2015 40.134.113.250) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I had nothing to do with that!

Man. you need exact change to just about everything in this town. Geez. It is way to easy to overpay for anything.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Jun 27 19:52:40 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Yeah, we know what you were doing in Chicago (Wink, wink, hint, hint, nudge, nudge)


Mark Levin (pronounced le-vin') (Play 6/24/15) Levin does a Survey of the Racism of the Democratic Party over the years He does a pretty-good job of covering a long period of time from the Civil War to the present. cc: Agent Cooper


Maverick


I Don't Know How To Love Him




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 27 17:26:16 2015 70.194.67.212) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 27 17:27:25 2015
Agent Cooper

Since I have some time before my
tour. I tend to think if people
waited until some social thing is
accepted generally by the public, it
would have taken a lot longer for
women to gain the right to vote and
for civil rights for African
americans.

To bring up another issue, people
aren't waiting for the death penalty
to be generally unacceptable, the
are trying to shut it down, one
lawsuit at a time.

Abortion may be legal, but
opponents use the courts to try to
restrict it as much as possible,
without waiting for society to
change enough to make the
antiabortion view the majority.

There is is a reason folks use the
courts as shortcut on social issues



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Jun 27 17:16:02 2015 204.186.244.234) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I agree with you but that ship sank long ago, with Griswold-Connecticut.

I can see it; an independent or third-party candidate for President polls a solid plurality in enough states to gain a clear Electoral majority. In some s tates the republican candidate files a lawsuit, in others the Democratic. The state judges, all members of one party or the other, acting in a you-scratch-mine-I'll scratch-yours fashion, find ways to void the votes and declare the state for another. The Federal courts uphold it; if there's not enough time, Congress votes near-unanimously, to refuse to accept vote info until sSCOTUS rules.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Sat Jun 27 16:59:01 2015 96.236.43.205) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Yes, that's how it's supposed to work. But that's been broken. Congress is pretty much an ornamental branch of government now. The people have no say. There's no point when whichever party owns the white house and the courts can do an end run around them and get laws passed by the SC, or enact de facto laws via executive orders.

This is much, much bigger than gay marriage. That whole issue is a red herring. It's frustrating that people don't see it.

The dissenting justices say it better than I can:

Justince Scalia: A system of government that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyers does not deserve to be called a democracy.


Justice Roberts puts it much better than I can:

[T]his Court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be

Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not. The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a States decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture throughout human history can hardly be called irrational. In short, our Constitution does not enact any one theory of marriage. The people of a State are free to expand marriage to include same-sex couples, or to retain the historic definition.

Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary step of ordering every State to license and recognize same-sex marriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majoritys approach is deeply disheartening. Supporters of same-sex marriage have achieved considerable success persuading their fellow citizensthrough the democratic processto adopt their view. That ends today. Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law. Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept.

The majoritys decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Courts precedent

Understand well what this dissent is about: It is not about whether, in my judgment, the institution of marriage should be changed to include same-sex couples. It is instead about whether, in our democratic republic, that decision should rest with the people acting through their elected representatives, or with five lawyers who happen to hold commissions authorizing them to resolve legal disputes according to law. The Constitution leaves no doubt about the answer.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 27 16:45:01 2015 70.194.67.212) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 27 17:17:20 2015
I may like a lot of thing french, but
macaroons is not one of them



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jun 27 15:16:41 2015 70.194.108.19) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, June 27th
2015

We have Six (6) birthdays!

Happy birthday to
Adina
Christian Kane
Jazzybell
Jitsudude R.I.P.
Sithqueen
SuzyQ

Quote of the day
"
Don't I get a cookie?" Spike,
Something Blue



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 27 15:08:09 2015 70.194.108.19) [Edit/Delete]
Hmmm I'd better see if I can do the
birthday list from my tablet



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 27 12:50:09 2015 70.194.104.149) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta. Last full day in
Chicago. Great city, if I didn't
have to walk so much.



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Dogmeat says:
(Sat Jun 27 09:10:20 2015 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday evil hand man Christian
Kane



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 27 06:01:54 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Faithx5!



"The Ultimate Conspiracy Debunker"



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 27 01:09:48 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
"...The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land. No federal or
state law may violate it. Federal laws (statutes), enacted by the United States
Congress, must be followed by every state in the country. If a state law
contradicts a federal law, the federal statute preempts the state law, and the
state will be required to abide by the federal statute. However, federal laws do
not cover all areas of the law, and in those instances, state or local laws will
control..."


The above is from the Animal Protection of New Mexico website (I was not able to
link to the site). The excerpt begins the section titled, ~How to understand the
difference between statutes, ordinances, regulations, and common law ~

The key point is the US Constitution is supreme over all laws. Legislatures can
pass any sort of law they wish, but any law enacted can be challenged in a
federal court. If a court rules the law is unconstitutional, then parties backing
the law can try to appeal the ruling. Eventually the parties may find themselves
before the United States Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court rules against the
law, it's probably over for the law. Probably, because the Supreme Court's
decision may allow room for rewriting the law - but that rewriting will be a new
law.

The US Congress can write laws, but the Supreme Court has the option to interpret
the laws. It's called checks and balances and it's a principle of the design of
the US Constitution.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jun 26 23:01:43 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO: Yeah, so? The basis of Common Law is probably the 10 Commandments. So, what? Court Rulings in the U.S. are supposed to be based on U.S. Laws, passed by Legislatures and written in Statutes and there certainly are plenty of those to chose from. This ruling makes the Court appear to be emotional and "courting" popularity, although maybe the applicable people affected is only about one million. I realize a lot of your Fanfic catalog relies on gay sex which is why you may want to defend it. The whole "gay" thing, though, always upsets me. People want to say homosexuality is "natural" but, sometime, go ahead and Google "diseases of homosexuality." The other thing is that this will prompt same-sex couples to adopt children and kids are already screwed up plenty without THAT bizarre upbringing to overcome. I always ask the question: if your parents were both diabetic, would you grow up with a normal attitude toward sugar?


Maverick


You Make Me Feel Brand New




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 26 22:31:40 2015 70.194.102.170) [Edit/Delete]
Lost in america

Wet at the moment. *g* It was
raining and I got caught in it.
Still, I was able to visit the zoo
and eat at Frontera Grill, a highly
rated restaurant. Very very good and
I didn't have to wait for a seat!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 26 21:14:45 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Common law is the absis for US law. Check out any older layman's legal dictionary/.



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jun 26 21:02:48 2015 70.193.247.82) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe--And how
is Chicago, I haven't been in ages!


DaddyCatALSO--Is there a law
that states marriage is between a
man and a woman in the U.S., a
federal law, or has it been left up
to the states all this time?



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jun 26 21:02:24 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: U.S. Presidents
Question: A total of fifteen U.S. Presidents were born in just two states. Which ones?
Answer: Ohio and Virginia

POTUS: KAM, OldManFan

FauxTUS: Agent Cooper, DaddyCatALSO, Maverick



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jun 26 20:52:22 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 26 20:58:26 2015
DaddyCatALSO: Common Law? You're thinking of England. Even a "Common-Law Marriage" (living together for a certain number of years) in the U.S. is between a man and a woman. At most the Court could simply have left it up to the States to decide what each wanted to do in their jurisdictions. The Activism, especially of the three women judges, though, shows me they do not really understand the requirements of their office. They were supposed to discern the intent of previously passed Laws. The 14th Amendment, that most mentioned, if they even thought it was necessary to cite some LEGAL precedent, was one of the Reconstruction Amendments issued after the Civil War to confer citizenship on freed blacks. This reminds me of the black lady judge that Obama appointed to a Federal Court who ruled on some same-sex matter saying the Constitution said that "all men are created equal." Or Rep. John Lewis who thinks "Pursuit of Happiness" is in the Constitution.


Agent Cooper: Yes, this is just another attack on Religion. What the jubilant supporters do not realize, as they know nothing about history, is that Obama and his minions are Marxists that want to gain power that will be possible when other institutions are on the run. The problem, though, is that NO Marxist power has ever recognized Gay ANYTHING once they gain irreversibel power. These SEX controversies are always WEDGE ISSUES but are defenestrated (thrown out the window) once the Marxists gain irreversible power. Look at Russia, China, even Cuba; they all jail gays, even though they were happy to use them to organize and gain power. Remember the National Socialist (also called Nazis) gassed them. Certainly gays thrive best in capitalistic systems where they can HIDE their leanings and blend in. Look at all the Hollywood Gays! If the U.S. becomes Marxist, these people will be hunted down and "marginalized."


Maverick


Taxi Driver (also the Theme song from "Between Two Ferns"




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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 26 20:15:13 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: The subject matter isn't what makes this ruling so scary.

I don't think too many average Americans care very passionately either way about gay marriage. I certainly don't.

It's the way the case unfolded, how it got to the SC and how and why the court decided the way it did that should be noted. Read the opinions all the way through, especially the dissenting opinions. They are positively frightening. I'm not exaggerating.

This ruling basically puts the final rubber stamp of approval for bypassing the constitution, legislating through the courts and bypassing the people's will completely.

It also opens up doors of discrimination and targeting via govt legal fiat never seen before. Watch and see what happens.

This and the obamacare ruling, and now the TPA stuff.

Folks in favor of all these things are probably jubilant, but if only they'd look closer they'd be wise not to be so happy. They're glad because people who side with them are pulling all the levers right now. That won't always be the case.

Meanwhile, and this is one of the scariest parts of this to me, the folks walking the halls of power in who are nominally opposed to these issues are not fighting anymore. Their will to resist has been replaced with awe and envy. They want IN. They are watching and learning with rapt interest, champing at the bit for their turn in the despot's throne.

This is what should scare everybody of all walks of life.

But it won't. The republic dies with a whimper.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 26 19:25:41 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick "There is nothing in the Constitution that allows anyone to redefine the Institution of Marriage" Marriage is essentially a matter rof common law, which includes all precedents and practices and, in the US, despite the sovereignty of each state, laws in other states under various circumstances. And precedent includes SCOTUS decisions.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Fri Jun 26 19:20:40 2015 74.33.112.99) [Edit/Delete]
A momentous day!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jun 26 18:52:57 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Alive and innocent.


Okay: The Fourteenth Amendment Section 1 reads: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


We have people on the Supreme Court who cannot read and/or comprehend WHAT they read. Individual gay people certainly have always had the privilege of being able to "marry" which has been defined from time immemorial as the union of one man and one woman. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows anyone to redefine the Institution of Marriage. If you can redefine "marriage" (and nothing gives you the right) where do you stop? Certain of The Judges indulged in Judicial Activism, which is essentially to legislate from the bench. They ignored the intent and logic of our existing laws which is all they really had, and were tasked, to work with. In their decisions they wrote new laws and they simply don't have that right.


Maverick


Reflections of My Life




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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jun 26 16:44:17 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
KAM - the answer was more surprising than the correctness (it is correct based on where they were born). That was just icing on the cake.

OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 26 16:42:04 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl Going off what KAM said, and making no attempt to look it up, *I'll* say New York and Ohio


wolfguard Umm, word sequence? I was just trying to say that if somebody wrote of the idea that Manson (a not unintelligent man) was completely ignorant of the disproportion of whites to blacks, and figured blacks would win on that basis, as semi-ridiculous. Manson most likely had some elaborate abstract reason based on, like I said, physical strength and toughness and/or animal cunning.



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 26 16:01:34 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 26 16:10:13 2015
Good Morning Everyone,

OldManFan: Ok, my answers are indeed rare, but implying my answers are not correct...How dare you sir, how dare you?

However...my answer might be incorrect. Ok, I looked this up, having originally guessed. But to be honest...I read the question wrong, because I was thinking where they were from when elected, not born.

So, I guess you could say that I was wrongish...or rightish...either way.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 26 15:55:18 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Answer: California and Rhode Island.

Chris Marlowe: I honestly didn't know there WAS a Pathfinder online game. I'll have to check that out.



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jun 26 14:58:39 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl - what KAM said... wait... KAM answered a trivia question? Correctly?

My world is askew.

*g

OMF



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 26 14:54:58 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Faux Trivia Girl: Virginia and Ohio.

KAM



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jun 26 14:49:00 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale Trivial Pursuit

Category: U.S. Presidents
Question: A total of fifteen U.S. Presidents were born in just two states. Which
ones?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 26 13:50:41 2015 70.194.75.47) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 26 13:51:36 2015
Wolfguard

Until I fly home Sunday. I am in Chicago on vacation.

Yay faithx5!



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 26 13:07:01 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY FAITHX5

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGenome says:
(Fri Jun 26 11:54:34 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, June 26th 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Dachelle
Dusy
Macheath
Tom.S

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Dachelle, Dusy, Macheath, Tom S.!



Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.
'Out Of Gas'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com

Faux Trivia Girl - message from OldManFan - Ebdim9th (a man's chord) is correct, Tommy Tutone.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jun 26 11:49:03 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for faithx5!

yay faithx5!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 26 03:31:01 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Two days till what?

WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jun 26 02:29:12 2015 71.46.49.251) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Shade of Bronze!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 26 02:03:52 2015 70.194.66.189) [Edit/Delete]
Two days down, two days to go!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jun 25 23:54:54 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl, Ebdim9th: How about "Beechwood 4-5789"?


Oh, so Obama's gonna have us refight the Civil War, wherein 300,000 died on each side. This is just a distraction from the Open Southern Border and all the Hispanic (and ISIS) illegals he wants in this country. Then when we are fighting those rapists and killers and freeloaders, he can bring in Muslim "refugees." He is definitely trying to change the demographic make-up of the U.S. Hint: Not for the better.


Obama issues 19 SECRET Directives


How the first amendment is being misused to suppress speech, intimidate, and identify critics of the government.


Obama always feels he needs to announce Government positions that HELP our enemies. He's famous for telling them when we are pulling out of an area (so they can wait and then flood in); now he tells them they can take more hostages because, chances are, someone will pay.


Maverick


Ferry Cross the Mersey




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 25 23:43:56 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

If a person believes he's a dog, then from his point-of-view everyone who believes he
should not run around on all fours is 'ridiculous'. Scale that idea to a group. In
the late 19th century, a social movement arose among some of the North American
plains tribes. I remember it as the 'ghost dance' and one of its leaders being
~Wovoka~.

Those involved believed if they followed certain behaviors and conducted certain
rituals, then white men would go away and the buffalo would return. As I recall they
also believed ways existed to protect their warriors from bullets. If you were a
white person around at that time and heard their reasoning, you might have thought
their beliefs were ridiculous, but if you wanted to predict their behavior you would
have done well to have understood where it came from.


WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Thu Jun 25 22:43:02 2015 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 25 22:46:42 2015
I have friend who, when she was a
teenager, ran off with the Rainbow
Family for awhile... that's how I know
about them....


Faux Trivia Girl are you talking about Tommy Tutone?



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 25 21:48:48 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: All Things Buffy
Question: What is the phone number for The Magic Box?
Answer: (805) 555-8966

Operators: OldManFan

OldManFan
Who sang it?



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jun 25 19:56:00 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
R.I.P. Patrick Macnee aka John Steed.

OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 25 19:34:04 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard unless it's a semi-ridiculous reason like not knowinghow few blacks there were in the country. I can only put words to it by thinking he thought blacks were stronger physically and displayed an animal cunning that whites didn't have, which would create an advantage. (And yes, I'm well aware by hard experience of the sort of , umm, notions a person can get.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 25 18:05:40 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Thank you. People do not have to 'make' themselves come to a conclusion they want to see, but they do have to work to draw conclusions consistent with an aspect of reality they don't like.

Assuming Manson's logic was correct, then one goes to the worldview on which he applied the logic. As you noted, one of his assumptions was that blacks were not "smart enough to run things" , so after winning the race war they would reason it would be best to turn to the remaining whites to "lead" them.

And yet, Manson concludes blacks would win the race war. Certainly not based on numbers and apparently not based on being smarter, so what other factor(s) did Manson think were at play? Or, did he stop (start?) with a useful premise?



WG



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OldMnaFan says:
(Thu Jun 25 15:16:32 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - 867-5309... wait, that's some chick's number...(805) 555-8966.

OMF



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 25 14:45:31 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: All Things Buffy
Question: What is the phone number for The Magic Box?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 25 14:31:09 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard As I understand it, Manson figured a race war in the US woule end with the blacks winning. meanwhile his gang would wait things out in hthe desert.
Once htye took over, the blacks would find they weren't smart enough to run things, so they'd turn to the small number of whites left to lead them.
funny what you can make yourself think.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 25 13:34:59 2015 70.194.105.87) [Edit/Delete]
Yay the Host!

Happy birthday Shade of Bronze!



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KAM says:
(Thu Jun 25 13:06:26 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY THE HOST

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGenome says:
(Thu Jun 25 12:11:25 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, June 25th, 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Gohst
HurrySundown
Shade of Bronze
Tina
Unearthly

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Gohst, HurrySundown, Shade of Bronze, Tina, Unearthly!



Wash: I mean, I'm the one she swore to love, honor and obey. Mal: Listen... She swore to obey? Wash: Well, no, not...
'War Stories'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 25 11:54:25 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for the host!

yay the host!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Comma says:
(Thu Jun 25 10:37:40 2015 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
I have been out of the loop, i.e. computer kaput, for several days now. Thanks for all the YAYs back on the 22.

On the way, after work today, to my 45th high school reunion. Going from north middle Tennessee to southeastern Alabama, or from the frying pan into the fire. I also get to visit my favorite bar-b-que restaurant, Dobbs in Dothan, and I will go have a talk, with my parents and my grandparents, at there grave sites. I'm not really sure if I will go by the old homestead as there are just too many memories there for this old man.

Check back in with all next week.

The Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 25 05:38:15 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Dualslayers!



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday


What single episode do you think generated the most discussion on the Bronze?

I did not join the Bronze until early 3rd season, so don't know the level of discussions associated with the episodes of season 1 and 2.1 So those epy's aside, the single episode that I believe generated the most discussion is a toss-up between three 6th season episodes ...

Bargaining - Over Willow's decision to resurrect Buffy

Seeing Red - Over Spike's attempted rape2 of Buffy and Joss plotting Tara's death.

Grave - Over Spike's reason for going to Africa and undergoing the ordeal. For those who do not remember, *g*, Did Spike go to get the chip removed or his soul restored?


1 Though the BBS of Passion was probably a top contender. *g*

2 First, I have to preface this footnote with a personal note: For one year during college I worked for a rape crisis center. That noted, I did not and do not think Spike viewed his actions as an assault until after Buffy kicked him off of her. At that point he realized what he had done and that Buffy certainly viewed him as having tried to rape her.



Good Night to All

WG



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 25 02:00:44 2015 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Better late than never!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: These United States
Question: Which U.S. state's official song comes from a Broadway musical?
Answer: Oklahoma

Okies: OldManFan
Jokies: Agent Cooper, Maverick



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 25 01:51:27 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Possibly. Both Reagan and Kennedy exercised their wit in public. Kennedy, probably
because he had a sort of aristocratic self-confidence. Reagan, probably because he
didn't mind offending fools.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 25 01:46:59 2015 70.194.97.119) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

In watching these improve players.
They are all pretty quick witted. A
skill I don't see in people in
public office. Too much fear of
saying the wrong thing?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 25 00:27:48 2015 70.194.70.19) [Edit/Delete]
Now I am at the UP comedy club at
the second city theater for their
Game Night improve.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 24 22:43:45 2015 70.194.98.73) [Edit/Delete]
Agent cooper

Have you ever tried the pathfinder
online?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 24 22:38:07 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica,

I believe there are many Americans who hold some racist feelings or beliefs, but few
of them would act as this boy did. What did he think would happen in the world as a
result of murdering Americans of African ancestry? As I recall, Charles Manson
ordered his followers to kill people, because he believed it would start a race war
and .... What would that have gained Manson? Did the Charleston killer believe mass
murder would start a race war or inspire other racists to kill? Did he believe he'd
escape until this 'war' started? Was he driven by mood or emotion?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 24 22:05:57 2015 70.194.102.241) [Edit/Delete]
Made it to Chicago and I am staying
at a hostel downtown. First
impressions.a odd mix of old
buildings and modern skyscrapers.

I plan to catch some improv tonight!

Ha! Faux trivia girl is a real
phony. *g*



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jun 24 20:01:55 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 24 20:08:23 2015
Trivia Girl: "Georgia on my Mind," from the Musical, "A Terrible Thing to Waste."


Ann Coulter on the Confederate Flag. Wow, that Kennedy lady is obnoxious. BTW, the Irony of the left's attack on the Confederate Flag, is that it's THEIR flag. The Union was mostly Republican and the Southern Democrats are the ones who wanted to hang onto slavery. After the War, Democrats started the Klu Klux Klan to stop blacks from voting Republican. Okay, "Selma" is now available on DVD and needs to be seen. Two surprises in "Selma" are 1). There were actually 3 Selma Marches. The first one was without MLK, and the Democrats, who were preventing blacks from voting, used the police to put a whup-@ss on the black marchers. In the Second one MLK was waiting for a court okay for the march and it didn't come through so he assembled and called it off at the last minute. In the third actual March MLK waited for the court to approve the march so they held it peacefully and no one was hurt. And 2). The producers bravely showed the duplicity of Lyndon Johnson. MLK went to see Johnson about the Voting Rights Act, which the Democrats were blocking in the Congress. (The Democrats in the states had passed the Jim Crow Laws [which locally legalized discrimination] and they enforced voter discrimination, so the blacks, if turned loose to vote, were going to vote Republican.) LBJ stalled saying he was busy with other Federal Matters. Then the next time MLK asked about the VRA, Johnson stalled again but asked MLK, "Did you see my War on Poverty?" The War on Poverty legislation established all the welfare programs that have re-enslaved blacks and guaranteed one-parent families. So, but Johnson did not allow the Voting Rights Act to pass until his War on Poverty was underway (it was passed in 1964), and blacks were promised all kinds of benefits by Democrats. So, the Selma March took place in March of 1965 and the VRA was passed in August 1965. After the War on Poverty legislation passed, Johnson was heard to say, "That'll have those n-words voting Democrat for the next 200 years."


Maverick


Theme from "Ice Castles"




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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 24 17:35:16 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl: For the record, that stupid online test sorted me into Hufflepuff. But I've accepted it, and I'm okay with it now.

:-)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 24 17:12:16 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl: Rhode Island ??



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jun 24 15:34:48 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl - I'll guess Oklahoma... from Oklahoma.

OMF



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 24 14:45:55 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: These United States
Question: Which U.S. state's official song comes from a Broadway musical?



Agent Cooper
It's a good thing I'm a Slytherin *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 24 14:37:47 2015 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Faux Trivia Girl: 50 Points From Gryffindor!



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KAM says:
(Wed Jun 24 14:15:37 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 24 14:16:28 2015
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY DUALSLAYERS

Deadguy QOD
: Hmmm. Hard to say, but probably something in the 4th season when a lot of people seemed to "discover" the show.

lostinamerica: People did a lot of things under various flags that people could (rightfully) find objectionable. We dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan under our US flag--for example. AND, slavery existed under our US Flag (although somewhat different currently).
We have a government now that I find highly objectionable, but I'm not going to blame it on the flag.

But that's neither here nor there, because my goal (or interest) is not about the Confederate Flag, which I care nothing about. People are free to argue about it, all they want.

Rather, it is pointing out that somehow this atrocity has become about the Confederate Flag, instead of what it is actually about. What this looks like to me is someone capitalizing on the deaths of these people to push their pre-existing agenda, and I dislike that, and think it needs to be called out, as the insincere nonsense that it is.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Faux Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 24 12:44:49 2015 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
WARNING! Trivia may be late this morning due to a meeting at work.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jun 24 12:32:32 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
KAM, Agent Cooper, wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe, OldManFan--Did seeing a Confederate flag somewhere lead Roof to kill those people in that church? No. But I will say that if I was African American, seeing that flag flown would bother me, knowing that over 150 years ago people fighting under that flag thought it was OK to keep me enslaved. It would be the same if I was Jewish and saw someone flying the Nazi flag.

Yes, we have free speech in this country, so you are free to fly both flags. But the people who don't like those flags also have the right to free speech and can protest your action. You choose--fly the flags anyway or take them down to avoid the hassle. We're only guaranteed free speech, not complete protection from what comes with it ;)



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TheBirthdayGenome says:
(Wed Jun 24 11:40:23 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 24th 2015 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!

Mh
Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Mh!



Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything. Lilah, 'Home'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com


*the late valMichael was the Birthday Gnome and I'm filling in for the Birthday Gnomette...



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jun 24 11:26:09 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dualslayers!

yay dualslayers!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

good morning sunnydale - talk radio at its finest

what single episode do you think generated the most discussion on the bronze?


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 24 03:19:37 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Yay OzLady!


Belated Yay COMMA!



Happy Birthday Joss!





Christopher Marlowe,

Yes, we call them teasers and cliff-hangers. *g*




Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

I'm not suggesting that Joss' fans are the best... I am saying it outright.*g*
Which other fandoms rate high on the list?


Harry Potter and Twilight fans.



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 24 03:00:37 2015 75.76.165.27) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Nice axiom. Maybe
that works with tv too? The first
scene sells the show and the last
scene sells the next episode?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 24 02:06:17 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 24 02:07:16 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

I just read some of an article on Mick Spillaine. Besides novels, he wrote short
stories, comics, children's books, and non-fiction. I, the Jury, his first
Mike Hammer novel (1947), sold eight million copies in paperback alone.

LIFE magazine did an article on Spillaine around 1952. The article's
author
wrote of Spillaine, ~ Bantam-sized, slightly educated, self-possessed rough-neck
...
who grew up in Brooklyn and still talked like it~ At the time of this article,
Spillaine had written and published five Hammer novels which had sold eleven
million
copies.

In a 1990 interview, Spillaine said ~~ I like people to enjoy what I've done ...
but
you don't have to go crazy over it. If you just enjoy what you read, you'll buy
the
next one ... I have an 'axiom': The first page sells the book and the last page
sells
the next book.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 24 00:35:18 2015 75.76.165.27) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I know a couple
local authors on facebook, maybe I'll
see what they think of Mickey
Spillane. *g*



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 23 23:59:47 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Eight is Enough? Yes, here's a tribute AND a collection of links to 12 James Horner Film Scores. He was ONLY 61 and died in a light plane crash. Well, hopefully Chris Beck can pick up some of the slack.


Maverick


The Heart Will Go On




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 23 23:56:13 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 23 23:56:53 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Spillane's attitude reflects an old real estate development truism: If you
give people what they want, then they will give you money. We call those people,
customers. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 23 23:37:25 2015 75.76.165.27) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard readers as customers, I'll have to think about that one.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 23 23:07:13 2015 75.76.165.27) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Just learned Dick van Patten passed away too.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 23 22:37:27 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 23 22:42:20 2015




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 23 22:16:47 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Thank you. :)



"I don't have readers, I have customers." - Mickey Spillane



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 23 21:12:51 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Just happened to find some recent pics of France Nuyen (arguably, the most beautiful famous woman in the world for a brief time) and dang, she looks *amazing* for 76.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 23 21:05:08 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was Jenny Calendar's gypsy name?
Answer: Janna Kalderash

Trivia Nome dE Plume: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl
Trivia Anonymous: Maverick, Agent Cooper



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 23 19:34:34 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard One is "fylfot."

Maverick Actually the Stars and Bars was the previous official Confed flag, not the Battle flag, which wa snever a national flag



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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 23 19:19:01 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 23 19:40:12 2015
Hello again,

OldManFan: Well, the meanings different people assign to various symbols are different.
It might not be nothing to some people who place a lot of relevance on the Confederate Flag. I'm personally not fond of flying a defeated nation's flag over my country, but it isn't my State either.

I guess I'm in the same boat as Agent Cooper. This all seems fake to me--like a bit of opportunism.

Agent Cooper: Well, that's just the point. An improper (false or otherwise misapplied) solution isn't a solution at all. The harm that comes from that is BECAUSE it makes people "feel good" and say "well, we addressed that, let's move on." It seems to me that's human nature.

Let's see...how's that 'Bring back our girls' thing working out? Answer--it isn't. These filth are still running around doing what they did. "Awareness" has very limited application in terms of practical value. Like OldManFan said--it may not be nothing, but it's about as valuable as nothing UNLESS you put action behind it.

The reality is that people may be powerless to help with most of these things--the world is an ugly, horrific place (not sure the percentage), and it is difficult to make it better, but I'd spare me the fake nonsense and self-congratulations because you've "Done something."

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 23 19:02:06 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 23 20:07:26 2015
Trivia Girl: Mary Jo Kopechne.


Christopher Marlowe: I've watched the DVD's of Season One and Two of "Hannibal" and thought it was excellently done, within the constraints of Commercial Series TV. I have not watched any of Season Three as I like watching it on DVD's so as not to miss an episode. One thing, and this is just my fault-finding quibble on the series, is that Will Graham, who was played by William Petersen in the wonderful movie "Red Dragon" and is played here on TV by Hugh Dancey (a Brit,) is supposed to be an American, and yet when he eats he does not switch hands with his fork (know what I mean?) Hannibal Lecter, though, is not necessarily 100% American and, I suppose, might fork his food with his left hand. BTW, "Hannibal" has now been cancelled.


Yes, Blacks need to blame their overall lack of success in America on the white culture (never mind that the great many of them still continually reject it) but they DO want the white culture to hand over some more subsidies, etc. The removal of the Stars and Bars Southern Cross flag is just another sop that they want to prove they can still Bully with their claim of Victimhood.


I DO have White Guilt but it has evolved into my regret for having let black students get away with avoiding the discipline and rigors of getting a good education here in the U.S. We certainly did not get our money's worth for all the School Taxes we've paid.


Maverick


True




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 23 18:42:14 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe & Lostinamerica,

I was once talking with a middle manager, an African-American, who said she would never use her title, "Field Manager". I asked, "Why?" She said she associated it with "field hand".


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jun 23 17:54:35 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper, KAM - getting rid of a symbol of a problem is not nothing, but it is in no way correcting the problem.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 23 17:53:32 2015 209.51.184.15) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Ahh, classic black. If you stick with the hobby you'll likely accumulate more dice.

I have several sets but my main go-tos are an orange set for when I'm a player, and some nice pearly ones for when I DM.

(You have to have separate sets for this, or the dice may become confused as to what side they are on.) :-)

KAM: I guess "Hash Tag Activism" is a good way to summarize what I was ranting about. It just drives me nuts.

I guess maybe if I stop and take a breath and think about it, it's natural that people want to do something to help. The problem is that some random psycho acting out is nothing that anybody can really DO anything about. So focusing on something they CAN change makes people feel better.

What gets me angry is that politicians are quick to take advantage of such a situation to further their own power or to make them look good, while actually doing nothing -- as usual.

Soulless ghouls all of them!


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