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Shade of Bronze says:
(Wed Jun 29 04:59:04 2016 [Edit/Delete]
drive by post ... thank you for remembering my birthday!

lostinamerica belated or on time, thank you!

I still lurk.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 29 04:03:09 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Tomorrow night, conflict!

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 03:44:31 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Mia!

Belated Happy Birthday Joss!

Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

If there were a villain hall of fame, what Joss creations would qualify?

The Mayor and perhaps The Gentlemen of Hush

Good Night to All


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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 03:30:11 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Just checked PBS Newshour online. The bombing at the Istanbul airport is the lead


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 29 03:04:06 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard It might have happened to soon or there wasn't enough information to do an accurate news report.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 02:27:53 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 29 02:29:31 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

I was surprised of no mention of the bombing at the Istanbul airport. Perhaps it was
covered in their news brief?

ETA Before the Internet, I always watched PBS Newshour. For twenty odd years.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 29 01:56:40 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Well the sex offender story is on their website, not part of the broadcast. The Newshour generally has top notice in depth reporting. I don't often watch the Newshour though.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 01:20:19 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Unexpected editorial choices on the part of PBS. *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 29 01:18:21 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 29 01:34:44 2016
wolfguard I was watching the PBS Newshour and I learned a few things. About Sherman Alexie and his first children's book. About something called 'civil commitment laws' which keep sex offenders in prison long after they've served their sentence. Efforts to help retain students in college.


I just learned something new in the past five minutes. Apparently State FArm has a bank!

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 00:51:07 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Certainly. You?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 29 00:21:46 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Did you run across something new today?

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 29 00:02:14 2016 [Edit/Delete]

The threat is in the ear of the beholder. Juncker said if you choose to leave
the EU, then you cannot expect to arrange a deal where you have all the benefits
of being a EU member. You cannot have your cake and eat it to.

What became the EU began as European Coal and Steel Community which was a French
lead project to use economic ties to restrain German militaristic impulses. From
that start came the series of treaties binding European states together. Some
folks definitely dreamed of some sort of United States of Europe. Some folks did
not. There has always been tension between European states over the scope, depth
and rate of integration. Britain has always been for a less integrated Europe.
At times, there has been talk of a two-track process where those countries
wanting more integration could move ahead without waiting for those less
motivated. Oddly enough, those less motivated, fearing being left out, would
resist the two-track approach. Germany and France believe they and other states
have in the past gone out of their way to cater to Britain's special demands,
and now Britain has voted to leave. Fine, go then. But don't expect favors from

Those who believe in the EU have that quaint notion that if one wants the
benefits of membership, then one must also bear the cost of membership. It's an
example of trade-off's, a conservative idea. If Britain were to retain the
benefits without the costs, then what incentive would there be for other member
states to remain? We can all be free-riders! Not possible.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 23:13:06 2016 [Edit/Delete]
nothing more annoying than being at the checkout line and the customer before you arguing with the cashier on the prize of a frozen pizza.

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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 28 21:10:23 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 28 21:13:03 2016
Hello again,

abt: That's a problem that's always existed--misinformed or ignorant voters. A down-side of democracy.
However, I'm quite sure that "Remain" voters are every bit as misinformed as "Leave" voters were--as you note. In that way, perhaps there is a semblance of balance. However, that's why a dishonest media is so dangerous.
It is clear to me that the media has been attempting to CREATE outcomes. Nothing new, just reaching more and more--and doing so more blatantly.

I've not heard the term "No platformed," before (looked it up). I think this is definitely becoming more common, or perhaps more open. There is nothing new about trying to silence opposition.
Of course, there is great hypocrisy about this as well--a group demanding it has a right to be heard, and then attempting to silence others.

So, again, nothing new, but it seems that the current generation of college students are actually serious about this. You can find videos (which I would typically dismiss as tricks) where they openly advocate or are ok with silencing free speech, because it might be "hurtful" (common response).

Silencing opposition is VERY common, labeling EVERYTHING hate speech, sexist, racist, xenophobic--whatever is the most popular word they wish to throw around. All of it is designed to shut up someone that doesn't agree with someone else.

Now, I have little room comparatively for complaint, because in the US we DO have the 1st Amendment. In other places (at least in limited cases) people can and have been prosecuted for SPEAKING.
No doubt MANY people say things that are objectionable, or just plain stupid, or even totally false, but that's the burden we bear for having the total freedom to speak out on whatever we want.

A popular phrase has been, the solution to "Bad" speech is MORE speech, not less.

This is a SUPREMELY dangerous route these anti-liberty lunatics are on. Their minds are apparently not capable of understanding principles that highlight dangers outside of their direct experience. Some influence that can silence someone today, can silence you tomorrow.

However, FINALLY people seem to be waking up and realizing this danger, and are finally speaking up in opposition to this.

However, what's become clear with the younger "Millennials" (as I see it) is that they've literally been convinced that silencing others is the BEST option, and they're apparently not capable of figuring out why that's a problem. That's what frightens me the most--that in just a few short generations, the entire concept of freedom of Speech can be destroyed. That would have been unheard of in my day--utterly rejected by any side.


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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 28 20:47:57 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: I think it's a tough job to learn in some respects. And there is alot of pressure to make goals. But that's true for a sales job anyplace.

For us in particular, on the sales side, we have a pretty large arsenal of products and services to sell clients. Which is great, because we can accommodate many different needs. The downside to that is that there's so many products to remember, what they are and how they work, that it's a lot to learn and remember. I think that can be intimidating.

Also - the nuts and bolts are kind of tough too. Our front end system is old and outdated and not too user friendly, and many of the things we use it for now had to be hammered in sideways as it was never built to handle them.

Keep in mind though I've been here over 20 years. I haven't been "outside" in a long time, so my perspective is likely skewed.

We've had several new people come on board recently though, and from them I've learned that our systems really are mostly as outdated as I suspected.

ON the other, other hand, I've trained 4 people in the last two years, and the last 3 were sharp and caught on quickly. They are all still here doing well.

This last guy, well, it just wasn't a good fit. It happens. Hopefully he'll land someplace that works better for him.

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abt says:
(Tue Jun 28 20:14:47 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick - the first guy in that Thatcher video is Simon Hughes, a Lib Dem. I don't recognise the second guy. The thing about the rich poor gap, it's OK being on the bottom rung of a ladder. It's not OK when the ladder is broken and there is no realistic way up.

KAM - you wrote "So-called "Millennials" with their expensive "educations" are more than willing to push for silencing people that they don't agree with."

I've been hearing more about this, about universities "no platforming" people they don't agree with. e.g Germaine Greer the feminist was "no platformed" for not thinking that transgender women were women. Peter Tatchell the gay campaigner has been "no platformed" for standing up for free speech over the gay cake incident.

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abt says:
(Tue Jun 28 19:51:58 2016 [Edit/Delete]
KAM - if Juncker has to resort to threats to keep other countries in the EU, it does suggest that the benefits of being in the EU are not proving sufficient. Although the comments we are seeing here now suggest some who voted Leave were not fully aware of the benefits of Remain and the costs of Leave (and vice versa to be fair, just not well informed at all). I don't consider myself well informed either, I can't say I really understand how the EU works.

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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 28 19:41:45 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 28 19:43:30 2016
Hello again,

abt: Your last line stated:
Jean-Claude Juncker now seems to be saying the UK must be severely punished to stop other EU countries thinking they can leave too and get away with it. I don't know how other EU countries will feel about this sort of threat.

Assuming that reflects his views accurately, doesn't this speak to the nature of this relationship--something akin to an abusive spouse.
"You had better not leave me or you'll be sorry."
An organization that threatens and bullies someone who dares leave sure as hell isn't an organization I'd trust.

People (and Nations) are under no obligation to enter into or remain in organizations that they don't wish to belong to, and that doesn't serve their interests.


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abt says:
(Tue Jun 28 18:32:36 2016 [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica - There's been some increase in racist incidents. There are some Leavers who say they only voted Leave as a protest vote because they thought Remain would win. Some who voted Leave are now worried about losing jobs. There are people posting on forums about family tension where the grandparents voted out, and the grandchildren who planned to study/work in Europe voted in, and feel their grandparents have stolen their future. It's like a tiny civil war. Some people of course are totally uninterested as usual.

This referendum happened because the Tory (Conservative) party have always been split on whether to be in Europe.

In 2010 we had a general election. No party got an overall majority, so the Conservatives and Lib Dems formed a coalition.

At the next election, 2015, it seems David Cameron the Tory leader and Prime Minister thought he could get an end to Tory infighting over the EU (and neutralise the threat from UKIP splitting the rightwing vote), by promising a referendum to sort it out once and for all, thinking that there would probably be another coalition with the Lib Dems, and then he wouldn't have to make good on it. But he won outright and had to go through with it.

Boris Johnson will say and do anything to be Prime Minister. He campaigned to Leave, many people think he did this in the hopes that Remain would win, but he would get the support of the Leave Tories to become next PM. But he won outright and now he has no plan what to do.

England voted Leave, Scotland voted Remain, and thus the Scot Nats are encouraged to push for Scottish Independence once more.

I don't know if Brexit will lead to more EU countries seeking exit. Part of the leave vote came from people at the bottom who have been ignored by politicians for a long time. I think there is a bigger rich/poor gap here than in other European countries, and much of our ruling class comes from the upper social class. Cameron and Johnson are both Bullingdon Club.

Jean-Claude Juncker now seems to be saying the UK must be severely punished to stop other EU countries thinking they can leave too and get away with it. I don't know how other EU countries will feel about this sort of threat.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 28 18:29:47 2016 [Edit/Delete]

Yes, the morning after the referendum Cameron announced it would not be appropriate for him to oversee the Brexit, but that he would carry on as PM until the party could chose another one. At that time he said for the next three months, so leaving around October. A day or two ago, it was reported he would be replaced in early September.

Several people have been mentioned for the new PM. Boris Johnson was the early favorite, though I'm not sure if this is still true. Johnson is the former mayor of London. A day or so after the referendum he said there was no rush to evoke Article 50, the way in which a country tells the EU it intends to leave.

Cameron promised the referendum and delivered it, but Cameron was pro-Remain. He probably has no heart - or political standing now - to oversee the exit. Further, by handing it off to the next PM he is giving time for people to pause and reflect on how they are going to exit, what terms to aim for, etc.

Of possible interest ...

"The Dirty Dozen" (Politico)

Page 1 search results on how to stop the brexit *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 18:27:51 2016 [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan A wise call. *g*

Agent Cooper Another one bites the dust. Just how tough is the job?

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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jun 28 17:27:26 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - you don't expect me to disagree with notsoShyGirl, do you?


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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 28 16:43:29 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Well, new guy had a rough time while I was on vacation last week. Apparently things didn't go well.

He called in sick yesterday and today he never showed up or called.

So I'm guessing that's a resignation.

Back to the drawing board...

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 28 15:58:01 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
A red BMW E30 325ic

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 28 14:42:56 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What kind of car was Giles two-door tramp?

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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 28 13:41:34 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,


Deadguy QOD
: The Mayor.

Ty King Fan

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 28 13:09:13 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, June 28th 2016 C.E.

We have THREE (35) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
Brazenlee, delicious, TheaterGirl

I'm thinking about buying something very expensive. Maybe an antelope.
Anya, 'I Was Made To Love You''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 12:50:33 2016 [Edit/Delete]
yay mia!

deadguy qod

Oh, I'm sure the Mayor and the Master would top the list. Not sure if I would include Glory or Adam.

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 28 11:41:31 2016 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mia

yay mia!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

monsters 'r us - furry, scaly, human, alien, we got them all

if there were a villain hall of fame, what joss creations would qualify?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 28 11:29:41 2016 [Edit/Delete]
And Belated Yay! Hollyn!

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 28 11:13:55 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, KAM, Agent Cooper, abt,
ChristopherMarlowe, Maverick
read yesterday that Cameron is
leaving it to the next prime minister
to decide whether to invoke Article
50. So for now, nothing but
speculation :(

abt, you're our "man on the
scene" per se, yes? What's the
general feeling of the Brexit result?

And sorry about England falling to
the Cinderella story of the Euro Cup
yesterday, Iceland--English football
troubles continue :( I got the
impression from the announcers that
there aren't many Cinderella teams in
football tournaments--they should
watch our college basketball
tournament, it's not called "March
Madness" for nothin' ;)

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 03:35:39 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 28 03:36:07 2016
wolfguard That's what happens when you have a fuzzy idea. You're right in that there is no conflict. You've offered a pretty good one.

I can write a conversation between Liv and Willow about magic not being a cure. That would lead into your conversation about a possible magical cure.

Then Liv talks with Buffy to get her view. I could build up Liv relationiships with the other girls more, that would heighten any tension if Liv goes for the cure by vampire route.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 28 03:19:24 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

A few possible points that might help in developing the story.

First, how can you or do you want to use the zombie aspects in the story? The
movie, Warm Bodies, was a variation on Romeo and Juliet. Its theme
appeared to be love can save you or love is what makes us human.

According to Professor Daniel Drezner, World War Z - the novel, used
zombies to explore how governments worked and didn't work in dealing with a
global problem. (He hated the movie) He especially liked how the zombie
apocalypse was told through the eyes of different people around the world.

So, it there some idea or issue that zombies are a good story vehicle?

Moving back to Liv and Buffy. Setting aside fanfic exist in large part to go
where canonical stories don't go, you might ask which character's situation is
driving the story - Liv or Buffy's? As the story exist now, it's Liv's. How does
introducing Liv to the Buffyverse open up stories? How does it let you make some
point about life?

How would crossing Liv over into ....

Agents of SHIELD

... change Liv's situation?

This may seem redundant, because you've already answered the questions:

1. The story is driven by Liv's desire to find a cure? (OTOH, your Dana story
had Liv wanting to meet the slayers, because she was bored/lonely/etc with

2. Zombies exist in the Buffyverse and maybe a cure is there to be had.

But, so far Willow and Dawn seem to have little to offer Liv. Worst, everyone is
too open and friendly. So you have not yet created any clues, mysteries, or
conflicts in the story.

Willow wasn't completely straight with you.

But she seemed so sweet (I didn't see in veiny dark eyes)

She is sweet, but she knows temptation can drive a person ...

But you're going to tell me.

There is a spell, but it takes time to work.

How long? A long time? A month

Dawn shakes her head.

A year?

Not that long. Around three months. From an equinox to a solstice or the other
way around.

I can do that.

Yeah, but during this time you'd be ... a vampire.


Being a vampire drives out the zombie.

That sucks.


Well, you could lock me up.

Doesn't work that way. You have to run free.


And in a world full of slayers.


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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 28 02:44:01 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Pondering again. Reply in a bit. *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 02:12:10 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I've been writing this on the fly and I'm not sure where I want to go next.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 28 01:30:43 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Pondering the passage.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 01:10:51 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Well, Angel is a vampire. Vampires demon essences in them, that what gives them the appearance of life. and also why slayers were particularly adept at killing them, they can sense them more easily.

Angel himself is a special case as he also possesses a human soul and at some point he could become human, although I don't think anyone has researched how that would happen" Dawn said thoughtfully.

""Do you have an idea"?

"I'm not sure, there was something way back in the day. When Giles, a former mentor of Buffy, was a teenager, he and his friends invoked Egyhon to get high. Later, Eyghon possessed one human and several dead people in a bid to kill those who invoked him. Egyhon was only defeated after driving him into the body of Angel, whose own 'inner demon' destroyed Since demon possession actually had a physical effect on the body, there may be something to work with there. Something close to a magical cure, maybe, beyond just healing.'

"Sounds like even if that was possible, it would take a long time to find and test such a cure, which is what we are already doing now. " Liv said with a sigh.

"Yes, that would be time-consuming. Even then, there is no guarantee. It is a avenue of approach we hadn't considered before as a Council. We might move forward on it anyways

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 28 00:47:48 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Scribble, scribble, scribble. Soon you have a novel. *g*

Agent Cooper,

"I'm positive a judge will reverse the will the of the people in the UK -
just like they do here...

Not likely. The British Parliament is sovereign. The British court cannot
overturn primary legislation, which is created by Parliament. Courts can
overturn secondary legislation, created by the executive, if such legislation is
determined to go beyond the bounds of the primary legislation the secondary
legislation is implementing. The court can also declare that legislation is
"incompatible" with the European Convention of Human Rights; however, such a
declaration cannot overturn the legislation and Parliament can ignore the
declaration if it so wishes.

Beyond this, no current British Parliament can pass a law that a future
parliament cannot change. This appears to be a bedrock of British law.

EU law trumps states' laws1 leading at least one judge to write
Parliament has given away (some/all) of its sovereignty to the EU. Other judges
write not so. The British Parliament "voluntarily" ceded sovereignty (limited])
to the EU and can, at any time, revoke that grant so long as Parliament is
"crystal clear" that's its intent.

TRUTH IN POSTING: I am not a lawyer. I have just spent 30-40 minutes reading
relevant articles and an essay explaining the above. None of these appear to
have been written following the recent referendum.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 28 00:09:25 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Back from my workout! Now to work out the fingers and brain.

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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 27 22:58:24 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I should be around.


Again, if you want to keep something secret, then you don't talk about it. *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 27 22:55:43 2016 [Edit/Delete]
more or less home, but starting a 30 minute exercise program.

wolfguard Hopefully more Dawn and Liv tonight!

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 27 21:51:27 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Advertising
Question: Who told people to 'See the USA in a Chevrolet'?
Answer: Dinah Shore

Trivia Newbie: Maverick!
Trivia Masters: notSoShyGirl, OldManFan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jun 27 20:39:56 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think, given that Angel told Cordelia and Doyle in the next ep. what had happened, he wa s mainly concerned in keeping it form Buffy.
When I sketche d out the story I was thinking Harmony got the info directly form Angel, presumably she had made a phone call to him seeking advice. and, bien g Harmony, she mentions it to Jill, who then calls Willow. (Jill is what I call Harmony's mother.)

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KAM says:
(Mon Jun 27 18:25:39 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Maverick: Here's the thing. Leftists endlessly cry about "big banks" and "Big Corporations" and all these horrible "Big" things, excepting of course "Big Government" which is what enables all of these other "Big" abuses--collusion and enabling by their corrupt government.

These people fantasize about government being some sort of champion of the people, but that's seldom true. These morons who are endlessly calling for more regulation are exactly what enables these "Big" entities to do what they do--which is basically boxing out the little guy.

Anyone who thinks that a "big corporation" is running scared from the government regulators instead of being assisted by them is fooling themselves. They are all well aware and capable of hiring attorneys and lobbyists to manipulate these government regulators and they get what they want, and what harms the true "little guy."

Now, that's a generalization of course, but largely true. If you think that the "Big banks" aren't totally in bed with're living a fantasy.


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Maverick says:
(Mon Jun 27 18:10:12 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Tod Stiles and Buz Murdock and Linc Case.

abt, KAM, Agent Cooper: Too bad Margaret Thatcher is no longer around. She would straighten this out and, I believe, be in favor of Brexit. Here's my favorite Margaret Thatcher sequence of Question Time when she was leaving the government. Pay attention. A guy makes the contention that the income gap between rich and poor has widened during her tenure. She defends herself by saying the income of BOTH the rich AND the poor has risen while she was their leader. But she is just so quick (I loved her) that she picks up on his real intention which is just another go at the constant drumbeat of the Left, which is to play upon the worst inclinations of people, their envy and resentment, to gain power. Another guy tells her he hates her polices and she says she hates him right back and they all laugh about that. But then she goes back to the first guy, thinking she has found a teachable moment, and puts her fingers in the air and shows that the Left would rather the poor stay poor (with both fingers in the lower position) rather than that there's any chance that the wealthy get wealthier (with both fingers higher but with a larger separation between them.) The Left completely ignores that a county's wealth is largely created by the innovations and input of educated people; they would rather allege that wealthy people have stolen their money (from the poor) or that they just got lucky, etc., but don't deserve their wealth. So, Margaret holds her fingers in the air and illustrates that the Left is so petty that they begrudge the wealthy any of their wealth and would rather the poor make less money than see the wealthy make ANY more money. She points out the absurdity of their position. This video is just so much fun, because clearly she is very comfortable in her position as a leader and her supporters are so enthusiastic with her. She was quite the role model.

abt, KAM, Agent Cooper: One thing about Brexit that worries me. If Scotland and Ireland stay in the EU and are forced to take more Muslim "refugees," the "refugees" will, then, of course, try to sneak into England, so the borders between England and Scotland and Ireland will then become a battleground.


Don't Dream It's Over

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KAM says:
(Mon Jun 27 16:08:34 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

abt: Is there a reason you can think of that would prohibit Northern Ireland and Ireland from making an agreement on how their citizens interact across the border?

That's a question I would ask of anyone who laments any particular arrangement ending. If the parties involved want a particular agreement, then they can pursue it.
I think the UK government is fully capable of making such agreements.


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abt says:
(Mon Jun 27 16:01:00 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Brexit - I wonder what the situation is like in (other? should I still say other?) EU countries. IIRC the UK has a bigger gap between the rich and poor, which fuels anger. If the gap is not so big in other countries, perhaps a referendum there would result in a remain result?

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